lib/PublicInbox/Inbox.pm      | 3 ++-
 lib/PublicInbox/WwwListing.pm | 4 ++--

diff --git a/lib/PublicInbox/Inbox.pm b/lib/PublicInbox/Inbox.pm
index df140cacbec177191839a7ffd310b132e11c566e..b0bb9dcc288daa328cfd44da340d4ae74a274a2b 100644
--- a/lib/PublicInbox/Inbox.pm
+++ b/lib/PublicInbox/Inbox.pm
@@ -250,7 +250,8 @@ 		return $url .= $self->{name} . '/';
 	}
 	# called from a non-PSGI environment (e.g. NNTP/POP3):
 	$self->{-base_url} ||= do {
-		my $url = $self->{url}->[0] or return undef;
+		my $url = $self->{url} // return undef;
+		$url = $url->[0] // return undef;
 		# expand protocol-relative URLs to HTTPS if we're
 		# not inside a web server
 		$url = "https:$url" if $url =~ m!\A//!;
diff --git a/lib/PublicInbox/WwwListing.pm b/lib/PublicInbox/WwwListing.pm
index 1bb5fbd041587cbc3931d370fcecde9519d5ff6e..ef9048b5be925f77ab20377a049171aa4f4f47ad 100644
--- a/lib/PublicInbox/WwwListing.pm
+++ b/lib/PublicInbox/WwwListing.pm
@@ -17,7 +17,7 @@ 	my ($ctx, $ibx, $ce) = @_;
 	my $desc = ascii_html($ce->{description} //= $ibx->description);
 	my $ts = fmt_ts($ce->{-modified} //= $ibx->modified);
 	my ($url, $href);
-	if (defined($ibx->{url})) {
+	if (scalar(@{$ibx->{url} // []})) {
 		$url = $href = ascii_html(prurl($ctx->{env}, $ibx->{url}));
 	} else {
 		$href = ascii_html(uri_escape_utf8($ibx->{name})) . '/';
@@ -41,7 +41,7 @@ 	if (defined($section)) {
 		return if $section !~ m!\Apublicinbox\.([^/]+)\z!;
 		my $ibx = $cfg->lookup_name($1) or return;
 		if (!$ibx->{-hide}->{$ctx->hide_key} &&
-					grep(/$re/, @{$ibx->{url}})) {
+					grep(/$re/, @{$ibx->{url} // []})) {
 			$ctx->ibx_entry($ibx);
 		}
 	} else { # undef == "EOF"